The Chronic Curmudgeon

Standing mute is usually a good option.

1 - NASCAR is the best people watching you will ever attend. And maybe if you would just relax, have a huge beer or five, eat some sausage and peppers, and bask in the red neck sun, you'd enjoy an activity like that. I've gone with my dad and left knowing that showering is a beautiful thing and the results of inc*st are not.

2 - Women are indeed unfigureoutable. And as soon as you stop trying to figure them out, you'll get it. Man's biggest mistake is trying to understand women too much. And really, once it becomes such a freakin puzzle, is it really worth it anyway? THOSE women suck.

3 - I will never vote for any type of conservative ass clown, either.

A liberal. Yet blatently and and openly stereotypical of NASCAR fans.

Your right, NASCAR has the red neck section, but so do all other professional sports.

Saying all NASCAR fans are toothless, inbread mountain people who have never seen running water, is a lot like saying all men who wear suits to work and make 6 figures, are greedy, selfish, conservative assholes who are out for only themselves.

You, not being a NASCAR fan, never watching it on TV, and dreading the idea of ever seeing a race live, feel that you can still make one of your overbearing and know-it-all opinions about it and claim validity.

However many posts ago it was when you made an example of Cheney and how his military leadership is flawed having never served. That you would not warrant his opinion for anything, because he is not a veteran. That his lack of military experience renders his judgement on the war inadmissable.

That same angle is reversed here.
When you have friends that watch NASCAR. When you have actually seen a race in its entirety. When you have MET Elliot Sadler in person at Elko Speedway, then I may listen to you opionin of NASCAR.
Until then your views have to filed under "Chenyisms."

Jose...

Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Confederate flag. Larry the Cable Guy. Left turn. Git-r-done. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Yawn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Spit chaw juice into a cup. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Another Confederate flag. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. People who are actually enthralled by all these left turns. Left turn. Left turn. Left turn. Watch the "winner" whip donuts all over the infield. Watch other redneck drivers froth at the winner and get into shouting matches over who cut who off.

Beyond the inanity of the whole thing, there's also the hypocrisy of the whole thing -- the sport of the red states and their supposed values is populated by cars laden with ads for Vi*gra, nine different kinds of beers, lots of tobacco, and Enz*te.

Did I mention the whole "people enthralled by 3 hours of left turns in a row" thing?

As George Carlin once famously and brilliantly said, "40 rednecks driving in a circle for 500 miles does not impress me. The only good thing about racing is the chance to see some serious damn injuries. I mean, when else could I see a 25 car pileup and not be IN the damn thing?"

a redneck section? That goes all the way around the track right?

Yes. Overpaid rednecks turning left.

But how is that somehow different from:
Throw ball.swing stick.miss.throw ball back. remove hat.replace hat.bend forward. stare,shake and or nod.throw ball.no swing.throw ball back...
Overpaid, steroid laden, Mexicans and Japanese who RUN in circles.
All professional sports have a repetetive nature.

Driving in circles in the old Hyndai, and driving in circles at 200+ miles per hour in a customized street racer are two completely different things.

You dont like it, fine don't watch it, nobody cares. Believe it or not however, not all people that watch NASCAR live in trailer parks. Many happen to be hard working, intelligent people. Besides, not all rednecks are bad either.
Before you go condescending the lower class, remember who it is that fixes your car when it breaks. The ones who had the knowhow to build that 1/2 million dollar house your want to buy. The family that actually raised and slaughtered the cow that produced that juicy filet your eating at your company Christmas party. Theyre not all the wife beater wearing drunks collecting welfare and disability.

Joe, you're mistaking something here. You're confusing criticism of rednecks with criticism of blue collar. There's a HUGE difference (as you yourself pointed out).

First of all, let's not go gettin' all high horse here. You know my family -- hell, you ARE my family. I grew up mighty blue collar. There's still a lot more blue collar in me than you might realize (just ask my friends out here). So when you're talking about the people who fix my car, build my house, or farm the land... that's not who I went after, Joe. Or if I did, I went after them because of their inexplicable attraction to watching rednecks drive in a circle.

Nowhere -- repeat, NOWHERE -- did I level any sort of criticism or demeaning comment at ANYONE for what they do for a living. YOU introduced that element into the discussion. And frankly, you're better than that kind of demagoguery. Nowhere did I mention welfare, disability, or domestic abuse; again, these are elements YOU introduced. If you want to have issue with my having issue about the collective IQ of the NASCAR crowd, that's one thing. But at least be fair enough to fight it on those terms -- rather than invoking false bogeymen of class warfare and introducing elements and arguments I never made, then somehow projecting them into your presentation of what my argument was.

If NASCAR fans have that much of a chip on their shoulder and that much insecurity about the "sport" (which just ain't a sport, btw) they claim to love so much -- that they have to turn it into some "us vs. them," "rich vs. poor" thing in order to defend it, that probably tells you something about the relative weakness of their position to begin with. Besides, according to your logic and words, "not all people that watch NASCAR live in trailer parks."

Which means that even according to your logic, in criticizing NASCAR fans I am not attacking the lower middle class, the blue collar, or anything else you could describe as class warfare. I'm attacking the inanity of being a spectator of something as ridiculous as an accelerated series of left turns. I also think watching golf on TV or being a spectator of golf is about as boring and insipid an activity as one could conjure. (To borrow once again from George Carlin, "Watching golf on TV is like watching flies f*ck.") Does that mean that you're going to now accuse me of having declared war on the entire upper middle class and the wealthy classes too?

The defense rests, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury.

I'm an equal opportunity hater of all sports. Baseball is just as boring as NASCAR and the fans probably suck just as much. Why do I keep coming back to this post? I think its because I want to see how humor is lost sometimes. I love rednecks. Especially when they fix my car. And they know it.

You can't fool me. You keep coming back to this post because I haven't written anything else in two days. ;-)

Oh - and Beav... how, exactly, do they know it?

This has taken into account the number of discussions weve had about NASCAR well before this.
It was a metaphorical exxaggeration for what you were really trying to say, which was that NASCAR fans have little IQ and do little more than drink themselves to oblivion.
The reference to occupations was to contrast the fact that maybe they're not so smart as to use words like "ubiquitus," but they can listen to an engine for 5 seconds and tell you how far off the timing is.
I wouldn't call it a chip on my shoulder, Im simply tired of your picking on NASCAR fans. There is nothing silly, crazy, or stupid about watching auto racing, period. And theres nothing wrong with watching golf either for that matter, although once again you have automatically categorized its fanbase assuming that everyone who watches it is in the upper or middle class. Could you imagine for a second someone who watches both? Someone who is not redneck, or stiff? Thats the point I went way out of the way to make. Your right, the hygiene and domestic abuse references and all that were a bit much.

You pick on smokers, and I have to concede that argument. But I will defend NASCAR kicking and screaming.